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Interview: The Camp of the Saints II

new bogeyman, hex, curse, sneer and left/liberal branding iron is racism. It comes with many names.
“Islamophobia.” Bigotry. “White privilege.” It is invoked the moment a single
person or publication criticizes the influx of Muslims and illegal immigrants
into Europe or into the U.S. It is the “one size fits all” smear that is
supposed to automatically silence critics of mass immigration and
conflict-engendering multiculturalism and cause them to hang their heads in
shame and apology – which it succeeds in doing – and then wave in without
control the dross of the earth to loot, murder, rape, destroy, and force
“whites” to pay Islamic or welfare state jizya,
as the price of being left alone – for the time being.
privilege” is bad. But “black” or “Muslim” or Hispanic privilege is good. When
blacks attack whites and even murder them, that’s “reparations.” Or “just
deserts.”  If whites attack blacks,
that’s racism or evidence of genetically- or culturally- inculcated racism in

collectivists and the liberal/left will not accept is that ideas such as
individual rights, property rights, esthetics, science, technology and so on
are not race-specific or the result of inherited genetic “predilections.”The
notion that they are has been disproven countless times.  Yet it is important to collectivists and the
liberal/left that everyone believe that whites are naturally racists, while
blacks and browns are not. And if the latter seem to be racist, that’s only
Rawlsian “justice.”
December 2010 Family
Security Matters
(FSM) interviewed me about Jean Raspail’s The Camp of the Saints, published in
France in 1973 and translated for the U.S. market in 1975. Raspail predicted
and dramatized what would happen to Europe, particularly to France, if it
allowed the mass immigration – actually, an invasion – of a million
impoverished Hindus, first into France, and then into the rest of Europe: the
downfall of Western civilization. The relevancy now is the mass immigration of
Muslims, which, at the time of publication of Raspail’s novel, was a non-issue.
Now the parallels are apparent to all but to those whose minds have been
lobotomized, suborned, or silenced by political correctness and various other
liberal/left epistemological maladies.
Jean Raspail is the
author of a few dozen books – travelogues, novels, nonfiction – and in 1981 was
awarded the Grand Prix du Roman by the Académie Française.
now, some five years later, the consequences of mass immigration are apparent
even to many champions of multiculturalism and illegal immigration. Europe is frantically
erecting walls
and barriers at the cost of billions to block or reduce to
the literal invasion of the continent by countless non-European, mostly North
Africans and Middle Easterners with absolutely no cultural or political affinity
for the West. In the U.S., our nihilist, racist president Barack Obama is
deliberately encouraging Mexicans and Central and South Americans to swarm
across the southern border with virtually no opposition, and is also importing Muslims
by the tens of thousands
to swamp and neuter “white” culture in big cities
and small towns. The ostensive purpose of this “invasion by invitation” is to
create a bigger voting bloc for the Democrats to continue their welfare state
policies. Muslims and Mexicans will vote the straight party ticket out of
gratitude, of course. But Obama’s core motivation is a malign, nihilist, and
racist one.
must be remembered is that neither the Muslims nor the Mexicans want to invest
Western society to “improve” it. They’re not desperate to invade the West to
compose great symphonies, invent and perfect new manufacturing technologies or
new surgical methods, study the development of individual and property rights, or
write critiques of Einstein’s Theory of Relativity. They just want to live the
good life of welfare state parasites and as a class be “protected” by
government rules from criticism or “discrimination.” As I note in the
interview, they’re here to game, not just the system, but altruism, as well, together
with the sordid culture of “white guilt” that has even developed like poisonous
mold in public education via the Howard Zin-inspired “Common Core” curriculum
in the nation’s grade and high schools.
has run a series of articles on the invasion of Europe by immigrants supposedly
fleeing “economic distress,” persecution, and poverty in search of “a better
life. Vijeta Uniyal’s August 25th article, “Mass
Immigration and the Undoing of Europe
,” provides a partial documentation of
the anemic, pathetic, and fruitless steps European governments are taking to
ameliorate the effects of that invasion. Not to stop the invasion, but to
lessen the harsh societal consequences of allowing indigenous populations be
swamped by countless aliens with no affinity for any kind of civilized life.
Ingrid Carlqvist’s “Swedish Imam to Muslims: “Do
Not Befriend the Unbelievers
” – details
one month of how Islam and Multiculturalism don’t work in Sweden, chiefly
because the multiculturalism-committed Swedish government patronizes Muslim
“asylum seekers” and not Christian ones.
Ingrid Carlqvist and Lars Hedegaard’s February 14th
Gatestone article, “Sweden:
Rape Capital of the West
,” provides in horrid detail the lengths to
which the Swedish government and the state controlled media go to cover up the
fact that Muslims commit the overwhelming number of rapes of Swedish women.
In 1975, the Swedish parliament unanimously
decided to change the former homogeneous Sweden into a multicultural country.
Forty years later the dramatic consequences of this experiment emerge: violent
crime has increased
by 300%.
If one looks at the number of rapes,
however, the increase is even worse. In 1975, 421 rapes were reported to the
police; in
2014, it was 6,620
. That is an increase of 1,472%.
But it isn’t all about Muslims and rape and crime
rates. It’s also about illegals and rape and crime rates. And it’s also about
the kind of racial strife Obama has contributed to with his own racial
attitudes. When Hispanic/White George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin in
self-defense, Obama said that if he had a son, he would be like Trayvon Martin,
who, in reality, was an aimless thug with a racist chip on his shoulder. But
when two whites were murdered by a black (and by a black gay, no less), Vester
Lee Flanagan II
/Bryce Williams, in Virginia  – for racial reasons, the
nation didn’t hear Obama say that if he had a sister, she’d be like Alison
Parker, or if he had a brother, he’d be like Adam Ward, the victims.  What Flanagan did many black racists probably
see as “counter-racism” or “racial justice.” That’s an attitude that too likely
sits well with Obama. He had nothing to say, either, about the murder of Kathryn
, a white, by a Mexican illegal, in San Francisco.

Matt Patterson erred on the side of granting Obama the
benefit of the doubt in his August 18th, 2011 American Thinker article, “Obama:
The Affirmative Action President
.” Obama is not actually incompetent or the
beneficiary of an electorate that wants to give a “black man” a chance in the
White House to prove he’s just as good as any other president. The man is a
malevolent, power-lusting, Marxist, racist. He is the “bright side” of the
likes of Rev. Jeremiah Wright or Louis Farrakhan.
follows is an edited version of the FSM interview from 2010.
FSM: What prompted you to read The Camp of the Saints?
Me: An article on FrontPage in
December 2010 by Roland Shirk about the book. I looked up the original
.  I hadn’t read the novel in
decades, and remembered little about it. What piqued my interest was the nature
of Roland Shirk’s comments about it in his original article about the novel
from December 10th. His reservations about Raspail’s “biologistic racialism” centered
on Raspail went about defending Western values and liberties. He referred to
the abrupt invasion of France by what he called “by
hordes of culturally and religiously alien interlopers,” with no conditions of
assimilation imposed on them, as the beginning of the end of Western
FSM: Were his reservations justified?
Me: Oh, yes, very much so. But first
let me get one issue out of the way. I haven’t read any of Raspail’s other
books, and don’t plan to, but, literarily speaking, Camp
is an awful novel, badly written, a mess beyond redemption. There is little or
no plot, all of the characters are two-dimensional, and pages and pages of it
are either expository or just talking heads. I don’t think it is the fault of
the translator, and there have been two English translations of the work. Allen
Drury, for example, was much better at writing that kind of doomsday-geared
story, about the consequences of contemporary political machinations, domestic
and international. Many of Raspail’s historical references are obscure, or not
well integrated into his central premise. As satire, or even as a serious
parable, it’s not very funny, and much of the intended humor is over my head.
drawback to the novel is Rapail’s apparent distaste for paragraph breaks. A
single paragraph of his can go on for pages, Kantian-style. Such long
paragraphs are a mark of bad writing, of not knowing where to stop or pause to
allow a reader to digest anything but in humongous lumps. It’s a sign that the
writer’s ideas are an undifferentiated, unintegrated mass of floating concepts
and ideas.
given the cataclysmic nature of the subject, there is almost no drama in his
narrative or dialogue.
the novel was like watching a pot that never boiled, or waiting for a glacier
to nudge a stone in its relentless push forward. Some of it is darkly but
unintentionally comic, such as when a group of monks and Catholic officials in
ecclesiastical garb attempt to “ward off” the disembarking hordes of Hindus on
the French coast by just “being there,” holding up a monstrance containing the
Eucharist, as though it were a wreath of garlic and the hordes were vampires would
cease and desist in their march to enjoy the benefits of Western civilization
without contributing to it. The monks, the clerics, and the officials are either
trampled to pulp by the barbarians, who don’t even notice them, or they’re
swept up in the onrush of the barbarians as they move forward to claim the
landscape and are never seen again. Raspail may have intended a point to that
scene – he was very critical of the Church for allowing faith to lapse into
mere empty-worded ritual – but it wasn’t well delivered. Oh, he made many
points, but it was agony getting to them.
You say Raspail was critical of Christianity, or the Church. Did he
discuss the Hindu religion?
Me: Not once.  They were born Hindus, their religion and
culture were in their genes. He also ascribed Western values as practically
genetic in nature for whites. As he presented the conflict between the West and
the Hindus, it boiled down to a clash of gestalts, or collectives whose members
couldn’t help being what they were. The Western gestalt is superior to the
Hindu, because….well, Raspail claims it is but never really offers a reason
why. He couldn’t without ascribing superiority and inferiority to race.
FSM: How?
Raspail flays the whole Western apologetic, guilt-driven, self-loathing
philosophy that he holds responsible for the invasion of the barbarians. When
Belgium announces that it is adopting no more Hindu babies to be settled in
Belgium, it precipitates the decision to sail to the West from Calcutta clear
to France. That may have been his pronouncement on the repercussions of unconditional
and limitless Western foreign aid to the Third World. The Third World became
addicted to it, eventually claiming the aid as an entitlement. When it was
withdrawn, somehow this gestalt of upset Indians decides to sail West to claim
it, and, as an act of vengeance, settle there and swamp Western society with
their ragged, ignorant masses.
The difference between why the Hindus invaded Europe in
the novel and why the Muslims have invaded it is crucial to note. The Hindus
just wanted to settle in “paradise” and no mention is made of imposing an
ideology on non-Hindus. The Hindus depicted by Raspail are actual brutes whose
minds couldn’t conceive of an ideology. No mention is made of their converting
churches into Hindu temples, although they do proceed to trash the country and
subjugate the white French citizens, many of whom decide to become “token
blacks,” or, as Raspail calls them, “fellow travelers.”
reality, Muslims were invited to settle in Europe to shore up its various
welfare states, to do all the menial work that Europeans didn’t wish to do or
thought was beneath them. Raspail mentions Arabs and blacks from various other
Third World venues preparing to take over Paris and other French cities once
the million Hindus have made landfall in southern France.
I will remark that I
found reading the novel so depressing that I had to take a break from it and
often take two mental medications as antidotes to the doomsaying. One was the
finale of Antonio Salieri’s Axur, re
, the other was the finale of Mozart’s Abduction from the Seraglio. These are products of Western culture
(among many, many more in the arts) which the nihilist intelligentsias have
deprecated and which the Islamists wish to erase from man’s memory and kill his
capacity to produce and enjoy.
only truly dramatic event in the story occurs early on when a retired professor
of literature, observing from his villa on the Cote d’Azur the refugee fleet
sitting offshore, has a brief discussion with a hippie nihilist character. He
then shoots the foul-mouthed creature because he hoped that the Hindus would
destroy everything the professor held dear. This malevolent, nihilist hippie,
however, was right in his prediction of what would happen. His ilk in the
elitist intellectual class, the professor recognizes, were responsible for the
feeble, appeasing policy the government eventually adopts when confronted with
a mass invasion of the “needy.”
was the nihilist intelligentsia who convinced the traditionalists that they had
no case and no justification to deny the uncouth and unschooled hordes from
India their right to the products of Western culture and their right to smother
the West with their numbers. And the traditionalists folded. The nihilists and
the traditionalists get their just desserts at the hands of the hordes: they’re
slaughtered, their wives and daughters taken into concubinage or sent to
Hindu-only brothels,  their homes and
wealth taken over by Third World looters,  squatters, and educated Third World racketeers.
is exactly what has happened vis-à-vis Muslims and their campaign to take over
Western countries. Underlying Islamic supremacism is a hatred for the
life-affirming superiority of Western civilization. In this hatred Muslims
share with the nihilists a malevolent approach to anything free – free men,
free minds.
cites the racism of the Hindus, Muslims, and blacks and paints some very gory
pictures of their reign over whites. These are echoes of the Indian Mutiny in
1857 against the British and Haiti in 1791.
Raspail only cites “tradition” and religious faith as the bulwark that will
defend France against the invasion of the Hindu “Ganges,” as they are often
referred to throughout the novel. All the excuses and rationalizations and expressions
of self-flagellation uttered by the government, as Raspail assembles them and
puts them into the mouths of various vacillating officials and media spokesmen,
are just so many disconnected assertions that add up to no argument at all.
It’s eerily similar to what American conservatives are doing and saying today,
who refuse to question the indoctrination of American schoolchildren from K1 up
through university, administered by our Orwellian Department of Education, lest
they be accused by the press and the intelligentsia of racism, bigotry, and
FSM: How so?
Me: I’ll let Raspail himself answer
that question. Appended to the novel are several articles about the novel and
Raspail, including an interview of him by the current American publisher. Raspail
wrote a reappraisal of Camp for Le
Figaro in 2004, “Fatherland Betrayed by the Republic.” He cites the phenomenon
of the French being “bludgeoned by the throbbing tom-tom of human rights, of
‘the welcome to the outsider,’ of the ‘sharing’ dear to our bishops, etc.,
framed by a whole repressive arsenal of laws known as ‘anti-racist,’
conditioned from early childhood with cultural and behavioral
‘crossbreeding’…and with all the by-products of old Christian charity….” I
can’t think of a better description of what is happening in America as well in
that regard.
can’t claim that the Christian ethos has been “hijacked” by liberal/left
secularists, as the defenders and spokesmen of Islam aver about Islam. Like the
ethos of Islam, it is likewise reducible to imperative altruism, self-sacrifice,
and suicide, except that Islam is blatantly frank and open about its purpose
and ends. In any contest between Mohammad and Christ, it is Mohammad who will
be the victor. When Christ turns the other cheek and forgives Mohammad for not
knowing what he’s doing, Mohammad will lop off his head. Christ has a kind of
supporting role in Islamic mythology, but it’s pretty minor.
FSM: Are there any redeeming qualities
to Raspail’s novel?
Me:  Yes, the fact that the European intellectual
elite recognized that it was being attacked in the novel. That is the novel’s
only redeeming quality, from my perspective. The novel was not well-received in
Europe because the race “metaphor” either eluded the critics or was taken
literally by them.
 Surprisingly, it was more favorably received
in the U.S.  In France, it was largely vilified,
dismissed or ignored. Now it’s a kind of underground cult classic among European
anti-jihadists. The bromides and banalities about how the West is guilty of
impoverishing the Third World by keeping it dependent on charity and handouts,
and so must tax itself to death to share more of its wealth to atone for the
sin of being richer, and to open its borders to all comers, regardless of their
agenda, echo every collectivist claim and altruist bromide and banality uttered
by the news media, the universities, Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, the
Clintons, and now by the Obama administration. The culpable are many and small.
They are the champions of the Ganges, or of the Muslims.
course, the claim that the rich are rich and the middle class well-off because
they “rob” or exploit the poor or the underclass is illogical.  You can’t become rich by robbing someone who
has nothing to rob, you can’t exploit someone who has no values to trade or who
is ignorant of the value of what he and his ancestors have ignored for
millennia and otherwise had no use for because he and his tribalist brethren
chose to remain backward, primitive, and tribalist.
doesn’t go into economics, doesn’t defend capitalism, doesn’t mention
individual rights. While it’s a badly written novel, Camp is still a compelling read, because it does show the
consequences of ideas – or rather of the absence of ideas. By the end of the
novel, southern France has become a Hindu colony, northern France is overthrown
by the “underclasses,” including Muslims, and the rest of Europe acts as a
passive blotter for the phenomenon. Even Switzerland falls. The closest thing
to the Islamic jihad is one mention
of the Archbishop of Paris handing over Notre Dame to the Muslims to be turned
into a mosque.
FSM: Going by your description of the
novel, it sounds like it might be worth cracking open, but with all your
caveats in mind. Is there a moral to the story?
Me: The chief moral to be drawn from The Camp of the Saints is that the West
cannot absorb countless immigrants from Third World countries and cultures
without establishing legally enforceable conditions for their coming to the
West and settling in it. But such conditions are an anathema to the
liberal/left philosophy of multiculturalism, diversity, “pluralism,” and
tolerance. This is especially important when those same immigrants come to it
with no intention of assimilating themselves into Western culture or adopting
any of its values, but rather to import their primitive cultures intact and
impose them on the West in the name of “diversity” or “religious freedom” or
“tolerance.”  Muslims and illegal
immigrants from “South of the Border” do not believe in “diversity,”
“multiculturalism” or “tolerance.” They didn’t invent these concepts. But they
know how to game the altruist premises that underlie those concepts. These are
ideas of Western origin, and contain the seeds of suicide.
doubt that Raspail ever made the connection between individual freedom,
industrial civilization, and the wealth the West was able to produce because of
them. It isn’t evident at all in the novel or in his prefaces, articles, or
interviews.  He didn’t note that the
welfare state is a magnet for maggots and parasites, domestic or foreign-born;
he failed to suggest that the welfare state, premier among collectivist
institutions, must be abolished if any Western values are to be preserved and
sustained. And by “welfare state” I mean also foreign aid to any and all
countries that pull at America’s altruist heart-strings, which countries
usually spit on us and demand more, adopting a stance of moral superiority.
is not the novel I would recommend to anyone to better grasp what has happened and
is happening in Europe, and in slower motion here in the U.S., in the way of concessions
and accommodations to the carriers of an alien, anti-life philosophy. Hordes of
Hindu manqués are no better than mindless hordes of Huns, Muslims, Apaches,
Chinese, Mexicans, Patagonians, or Caucasians. Or, as a distant friend of mine
would call any one of them, but specifically Muslims, “not lovable normal human
beings – but cultural vacuums, black holes of non-creativity and inhumanity, a
tribe of nobodies, just the bloody vanguard foot soldiers representing a
totalitarian mindset that has no sense of humor, no capacity for self-criticism
and no respect for other people’s views.”
I would say that a lack of a sense of humor is merely a venial sin of Islam’s,
not its cardinal offense, which is its refusal, indeed, its inherent inability,
to “self-criticize.” The creed forbids questions of any nature, which is why it
cannot and will not respect other people’s views.  Muslims can’t criticize it, nor kaffirs or non-Muslims without risking
the charge of “hate speech.”  Not even
Pope Benedict could get away with a circumspect criticism of it. It is
forbidden. That explains its totalitarian nature. No one ever said that the
face of Big Brother had to be a kindly one staring out from an Ingsoc poster. He
can also be wearing a Brooks Brothers suit and a turban staring out from an
IslamSoc poster with a scraggly beard and death in his eyes.
Thank you, Mr. Cline
Camp of the Saints
, by Jean Raspail. 1973. Trans. Norman Shapiro. (Petoskey,
MI: The Social Contract Press, 2007).


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  1. Unknown

    On the issue of rape in Sweden, I've even heard the claim that the increase is due entirely to how rape was redefined in Swedish law a few years ago!

    It's incredible what libertarians among others will do to claim that what we are seeing right before our eyes isn't happening. Consider crime in the US, the Hispanic gang affiliation rate is even higher than blacks but supposedly Hispanic crime is no higher than white crime! Honduras and Guatemala have some of the highest rates of violent crime in the world, but when they cross the border their crime rate drops by 10 (which is what it would take to have a native crime rate)!

    I checked the Hennepin County Minnesota (where Minneapolis is) most wanted page and of the 8 criminals, at least 2 were Somali. 3 were Hispanic and 1 more apparently from Africa.

  2. Edward Cline

    Steve and others: I could have gone one about the siege at Calais of the hordes wanting to get to Britain, of the beachheads of barbarians in the Mediterranean from Libya, and the criminal and parasitical illegals here in the U.S., but there were article length considerations to take into account.

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