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The Myth of Muslim Male Superiority

On July 29th Jihad Watch ran an interesting article
by Ralph Sidway of the Facing Islam
blog, “’The
Nightmare’ – Europa and the Incubus
.” The Gothic painting illustrating his
column, by German-Swiss artist Henry Fuseli, depicts an
incubus sitting atop the limp and helpless body of Europa.
 The mythical Europa is more notoriously
noted for having been carried off by Zeus in the guise of a bull. Sidway dwells
in the metaphor that Europe is
instead being conquered and ravished by an ugly ogre or incubus – or by
Muslims. It has been abducted, as well, and is daily ravished by Islam. He
begins:
Sometimes
an image — a metaphor — is much more effective at presenting truth than even
the most persuasive argument or laying out of facts.  ‘The Nightmare’ is
such an image.
Europeans
may still have some dim collective memory of the Muslim conquest of the Iberian
peninsula (Spain) in the early 8th century, of Islam’s nearly successful
colonization of the rest of Western Europe (Gaul, etc.), of centuries of Muslim
raids on Italy, of Muslim piracy and dominance in the Mediterranean Sea, of
repeated Muslim attempts to invade Europe through the Balkans, and of the
eventual fall of Constantinople in 1453, and of Turkish crimes against the
Greeks during the 18th and 19th centuries and the Armenian Genocide in the
early 20th….
The
metaphor of the demonic Incubus (Islam)
preying upon the paralyzed sleeper (Europa) is hardly a stretch, as this
particular demon was believed to engage in sexual activity with its victim,
trying to foster a hybrid human-demon child, and if unable to do that, then to
bring about madness, demon possession, sickness and ultimately death to its
host.
It was the mention of the belief in the incubus’s
sexual activity that caused me to wonder why no student or scholar of Islam had
ever much investigated the Muslim’s preoccupation with the rape of Western and
other non-Muslim women. Possibly a psychological study of the condition has
been produced; I don’t claim to have an encyclopedic knowledge of all the ugly
and sordid facts of Islam.
The brutal treatment of the Yazidis
is a case in point. The Yazidis are between dark and fair complexioned, but
have blue or green eyes. It is their captive women who are valued the most in
ISIS slave auctions. They are either” married” off to ISIS fighters or held
prisoner in ISIS brothels, guarded by armed,
burqa-clad
women who are mostly fanatical Nazi-like converts to Islam and
who are as cruel
and callous
as the ISIS fighters who rape the Yazidis. ISIS has stated that
it wants to
exterminate the Yazidis
, to “erase their blood line.” Neither the captives
nor their captors are much interested in a debate on whether or not Mozart’s Abduction from the Seraglio
presented a true picture of Turkey and Islam, or if Muslims of both sexes
were honestly and accurately portrayed in Amadeus’s Turkish
finale.
It is reported that between sixty and seventy of
these girls and women commit
suicide
every month rather than endure more savagery or have the fighters’
babies.
Defenders of Islam claim that its adherents and its
doctrines are not “racist,” even though racist tenets are rife throughout
Islamic texts, such as in the Koran
and the Hadith
(Mohammad’s sayings). The camel’s nose in the tent of those Islamic denials
is the fact of the institutionalized slavery of black Africans that predated
Western institutionalized slavery (which was abolished; Islam has never
actually abolished it, and won’t).
The next day Jihad
Watch
published Raymond Ibrahim’s “Why
Muslim Rapists Prefer Blondes: A History
.” This article first appeared on
Ibrahim’s site, together with an Orientalist-style painting** of a naked
Caucasian slave being ogled and sized up by three Arab sheiks. (The artist’s
name was not noted on the site.)  In
drawing a comparison between Byzantium and the modern West, in the context of
“why Muslims prefer blondes,” Ibrahim begins:
The
Muslim penchant to target “white” women for sexual exploitation—an epidemic
currently plaguing Europe, especially Britain and Scandinavia—is as old as
Islam itself, and even traces back to Muhammad.
Much
literary evidence attests to this in the context of Islam’s early predations on
Byzantium (for centuries, Christendom’s easternmost bulwark against the
jihad).  According to Ahmad M. H. Shboul (author of “Byzantium and the
Arabs: The Image of the Byzantines as Mirrored in Arabic Literature”) Christian
Byzantium was the “classic example of the house of war,” or Dar al-Harb—that
is, the quintessential realm that needs to be conquered by jihad. 
Moreover, Byzantium was seen “as a symbol of military and political power and
as a society of great abundance.”
The
similarities between pre-modern Islamic views of Byzantium and modern Islamic
views of the West—powerful, affluent, desirable, and the greatest of all
infidels—should be evident.  But they do not end here.  To the
medieval Muslim mind, Byzantium was further representative of “white
people”—fair haired/eyed Christians, or, as they were known in Arabic, Banu
al-Asfar
, “children of yellow” (reference to blonde hair).
It’s noteworthy that in the course of investigating
(or not investigating much) the
Rotherham
Muslim sex slavery of British girls,
A
local police officer aptly illuminated the reasons for the cover-up. “They
were running scared of the race issue… there is no doubt that in Rotherham,
this has been a problem with Pakistani men for years and years,” the officer
explained. “People were scared of being called racist.” But the Muslims
targeted their victims on the basis of race.
So, they
were  also afraid of calling the Muslim
criminals racists, even though these dark-skinned Pakistanis were targeting
white British schoolgirls? This is how political correctness can destroy men’s
minds.  It can neutralize the willingness
to make moral judgments.
What is one of the sources of this brand of racism?
Mohammad, of course. As Ibrahim relates, quoting an Arabic writer:
Continues
Shboul:
“The
Byzantines as a people were considered as fine examples of physical beauty, and
youthful slaves and slave-girls of Byzantine origin were highly valued….The
Arab’s appreciation of the Byzantine female has a long history indeed. 
For the Islamic period, the earliest literary evidence we have is a hadith
(saying of the Prophet).  Muhammad is said to have addressed a newly
converted [to Islam] Arab: “Would you like the girls of Banu al-Asfar?”  Not only were Byzantine slave girls sought
after for caliphal and other palaces (where some became mothers of future
caliphs), but they also became the epitome of physical beauty, home economy,
and refined accomplishments.   The typical Byzantine maiden who
captures the imagination of litterateurs and poets, had blond hair, blue
or green eyes, a pure and healthy visage, lovely breasts, a delicate waist, and
a body that is like camphor or a flood of dazzling light.”
While
the essence of the above excerpt is true, the reader should not be duped by its
overly “romantic” tone. Written for a Western academic publication by an
academic of Muslim background, the essay is naturally euphemistic to the point
of implying that being a sex slave was desirable—as if her Arab owners were
enamored devotees who merely doted over and admired her beauty from afar.
Indeed,
Muhammad asked a new convert “Would you like the girls of Banu al-Asfar?” as a way to entice him to join the jihad and reap
its rewards—which, in this case, included the possibility of enslaving and
raping blonde Byzantine women—not as some idealistic discussion on beauty.
Or raping and impregnating blue and green eyed
Yazidi women. ISIS fighters don’t patronize the brothels to have civilized tea-and-crumpet
discussions with the captives about their beauty and the question of whether or
not a Muslim’s “right hand
can possess any of them. As Ibrahim notes:
Thus
a more critical reading of Shboul’s aforementioned excerpt finds that European
slave girls were not “highly valued” or “appreciated” as if they were precious
statues—they were held out as sexual trophies to entice Muslims to the jihad.
As Pamela Geller notes in one of her Atlas
Shrugs
  columns,
“Prosperous
are the believers who in their prayers are humble and from idle talk turn away
and at almsgiving are active and guard their private parts save from their
wives and what their right hands own then being not blameworthy.” (Quran
23:1-6)
Those
whom their “right hands own” (Quran 4:3, 4:24, 33:50) are slaves, and
inextricable from the concept of Islamic slavery as a whole is the concept of
sex slavery, which is rooted in Islam’s devaluation of the lives of
non-Muslims.
Ibrahim subsequently points out the fallacies and
fantasies of the Islamic view of Byzantium and of Byzantium women.
Moreover,
the idea that some sex slaves became mothers to future caliphs is meaningless
since in Islam’s patriarchal culture, mothers—Muslim or non-Muslim—were
irrelevant in lineage and had no political status.   And talk of “litterateurs
and poets” and “a body that is like camphor or a flood of dazzling light” is
further anachronistic and does a great disservice to reality:  These women
were—as they still are—sex slaves, treated no differently from the many slaves
of the Islamic State today.
For
example, during a recent sex
slave auction
held by the Islamic State, blue and green eyed Yazidi girls
were much coveted and fetched the highest price.  Even so, these
concubines are being cruelly tortured.  In one instance, a Muslim savagely
beat his Yazidi slave’s one year old child until
she agreed to meet all his sexual demands.
Islam proclaims that the rape of infidel women is
not the fault of Muslim men – who are portrayed as morally and even racially
superior to everyone else – but that of the infidel women who shamelessly
flaunt their beauty, thereby advertising their alleged promiscuity and
immorality, and become “exposed
meat
” that causes Muslims to lose their self-control.  For the infidel women, there is no
forgiveness; for the Muslim male, there is plenty of dispensation to be found
in Islamic texts, because he’s superior and privileged by virtue of being
Muslim, so his raping an infidel woman is no more a crime or a lapse in his
morality  than his raping a ewe.
Ibrahim’s article is broad in scope and extremely
informative. After having read it, I left a comment on both his site and on
Jihad Watch, and this comment comes closer to the subject of my own column:
About the subject of Muslims preferring to
rape/own/enslave white women, whether they’re captives of ISIS or in Europe and
Britain, especially blondes (remember Lara Logan’s experience in Cairo?): The
ostensible motive for it is to destroy the good for being the good. To despoil
beauty. The second aspect of these crimes hasn’t been dwelt on much, which is
the fact that these Muslim men consider themselves as unclean and unworthy as a
fundamental tenet of Islamic metaphysics, and regard the act of rape as a means
to consciously befoul beauty with their own persons. This is another reason why
Islam is evil.
To qualify the contention that “these Muslim men
consider themselves as unclean and unworthy” is the much-noised Islamic
assertion and contradiction that Muslims are superior to all others of other faiths and races (even though Islam
is not a race). But, superior in
which respect? The Muslim male initially regards himself as foul and decrepit.
This is a notion (or incubus) of Original Sin shared by Islam and Christianity;
Islam  doubtless cadged it from
Christianity, which predated Islam by about 500 years, just as Islam cadged
elements of other religions from the 7th century onward, including,
significantly, the pagan moon god, Allah. Being an imperfect plaything of
Islam’s Allah necessitates a Muslim male’s needing to observe a strict moral
code that will keep him on the “straight and narrow” path to Islamic virtue and
“perfection” and “purity” with the expectation of Allah’s praise.
And, it’s okay to wander from the “straight and
narrow” to rape infidel women, especially blondes. They deserve the treatment.
It’s Allah’s will. Nay, his command.
I mentioned Lara Logan in my comment.  In an ABC
interview
about her rape and experiences in 2011 in Tahrir Square, Cairo,
she reveals that it wasn’t just
the rape
that was dooming her to death. It was Muslim men trying to kill her
in the most tortuous way possible:
Lara
Logan, the CBS reporter who was sexually assaulted by a mob in Cairo’s Tahrir
Square the night that longtime Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak stepped down, opened
up about the brutal attack
in an emotional interview on “60
Minutes” Sunday. The reporter said she decided to go public to call
attention to sexual violence against female journalists, offering a tearful
recollection of the horrific night she thought would be her last.
“There
was no doubt in my mind that I was in the process of dying,” Logan told
CBS News’ Scott Pelley. “I thought, ‘Not only am I going to die, but it’s
going to be just a torturous death that’s going to go on forever.'”
Logan
said her clothes were torn off and her muscles were agonizingly stretched as
she was separated from her crew and swallowed into the 200-to-300-strong mob.
She recalled the flashes of cell phone cameras taking pictures of her naked
body as her merciless attackers raped her with their hands.
“I
didn’t even know that they were beating me with flagpoles and sticks and things
because I couldn’t even feel that because I think the sexual assault was all I
could feel, was their hands raping me over and over and over again,” Logan
said in the interview….
“They were tearing my body in every
direction at this point, tearing my muscles. And they were trying to tear off
chunks of my scalp, they had my head in different directions.”
 Logan said she hoped her screams would stop
her assailants, but they only provoked them. “Because the more I screamed,
it turned them into a frenzy,” she said. [Italics mine]
These details are important. For it isn’t just a
matter of sexual gratification that a Muslim will rape an infidel woman. It is
an issue of destroying the good for being the good, and a Muslim male in a
sexual predator mode will want to accomplish the obliteration of his victim in
as painful a way as possible. The screams of Lara Logan – and those of any
other infidel woman in Britain, Scandinavia, and the Mideast – are integral to
the Muslim rapist’s sense of nihilist efficacy.
There is a scene in Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged that illustrates this point dramatically. John Galt,
the scientist hero, is being tortured by a government-built machine with
electrical shocks calculated not to kill him but to send pulses of agony
through his body. One of the torturers isn’t satisfied with Galt’s response to
the pain:
“Go
ahead!” cried Taggart. “What are you waiting for? Can’t you make the current
stronger? He hasn’t even screamed yet!”… Taggart was staring at {Galt’s body]
intently, yet his eyes seemed glazed and dead, but around that inanimate stare
the muscles of his face were pulled into an obscene caricature of enjoyment.*
Muslim men – and especially Muslim rapists – are
not virile in the usual sense.  A virile man is someone like Sean Connery’s
James Bond, and is seen as such by men and women alike. Rand’s heroes Francisco
d’Anconia and Howard Roark, as well as John Galt, are virile. In the sex act,
they celebrate their lives, their values, their selves as living, rational
beings who love life. The women they “conquer” are their equals in spirit who
also view sex as a celebration.
Muslim men, however (and this observation applies
equally to non-Muslim rapists), are maquettes.
They are half-formed creatures trapped inside the physical bodies of men. They
have no values or selves to celebrate. Their notion of manhood and virility is
one of nihilistic conquest, of force, of proving the efficacy of their capacity
to destroy or cause pain.
Their only sense of “enjoyment” is in the act of
killing. ISIS has sent us numerous beheading and gun barrel to the head videos
that demonstrate that aspect of compliance with Koranic imperatives.
For the ISIS rapists, for the British and European
Muslim rapists, the sex act is not a means to celebrate life, but to celebrate
death, and the potency of their evil.
*Atlas
Shrugged
, by Ayn Rand. New York: Dutton, 35th
anniversary
edition, 1992.  pp.
1142-1143
**Orientalist paintings from the
19th and early 20th centuries, while exquisitely executed and accurate in many
details, romanticized the Islamic and Mideast worlds, overlooking the harsh
realities of especially the Muslim slave markets. See, for example, Kristian
Davies’s Orientalists:
Western Artists in Arabia, the Sahara, Persia and India,
or The
Lure of the East: British Orientalist Painting
, by Nicholas
Tromans.

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25 Comments

  1. Edward Cline

    This post does not even touch on the horrors of Muslim black slavery, its history or its current practice. It's another story altogether.

  2. Edward Cline

    Technically, a study of the Muslim rapist should be a study of his pathology, but a pathological analysis of his values and anti-values must inexorably lead to an evaluation of his metaphysics — and necessarily, to an evaluation of the metaphysics of Islam itself. As for the "non-violent" Muslim, I would say all he allows himself to do is fantacize about raping blondes, brunettes and redheads. But, then again, so many jihadists had the same fantasies and that's how they eventually become "violent." Observe all the Muslims and converts to Islam in the U.S. who bought the how Jihad line especially over the Internet and wound up being arrested for plotting some kind of domestic jihad or attempting to get to the Mideast to join ISIS.

  3. Unknown

    Thanks for this essay.

    The Rotherham rape situation is the most incredible thing I've heard. It highlights the deadly combination of Islamic immigration and multiculturalism. Things are bad in the US, but the police still investigate crimes. They only lie when it comes to the background of the perps.

    The fact is that Muslims are not assimilatable, at least not in any substantial numbers. Major Hassan (Ft. Hood shooter) and some of the Charlie Hebdo murderers were born in the west. The Chattanooga shooter came to the US when he was 7.

    The US and Europe have their flaws, but you'd think Muslims would at least appreciate that we give them the opportunity for a better life. I guess not.

    There was a story a couple weeks ago about how the public schools of Bavaria sent out a letter to parents asking that their daughters dress modestly. Apparently, the Iraqi and Syrian "refugee" boys haven't seen girls dressed in shorts and bikinis before and get overly excited around them. If mainstream Objectivists were to talk about this, we'd hear that the problem is caused not by Muslim immigration but by government schools.

    Galt help us all.

  4. Edward Cline

    Steve Jackson: One of the key ingredients of Islamic "morality" is the repression of sex, and not only that, but the view of it that it's evil, and that rape is a kind of Islamic exercise of catharsis sanctioned by Islam. "Our good Muslim boys have to get it out of their system, and then they can be virtuous."

  5. Unknown

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  6. Unknown

    So dark skinned feral Muslims are raping and enslaving lighter skinned and blue/green eyed Yazidis?

    Get with the program, Ed. It has nothing to do with race. The Muslims are raping the Yazidis because the Muslims are altruists and the Yazidis embrace rational selfishness.

    Just give the Muslims copies of Human Action and Atlas Shrugged and they will realize that raping fairer skinned people is not in their self interest.

    Galt help us all.

  7. madmax

    What no one in the mainstream Right, including Objectivists seems to understand is that groups have properties. If you allow Muslims to aggregate in a location then the nature of Islam will start to manifest and you will see all the cultural pathologies that have historically been associated with Islam including rape of Kafir women and ultimately conquest and subjugation. Objectivists and other contextless "individualists" just see individual Muslims and think that it is either "collectivist" or "racist" to judge Muslims as a group. Why? Well because groups don't have brains. What was the Rand quote from The Fountainhead, "there is no such thing as a collective brain". Well that's right in certain circumstances. But in other circumstances groups have properties that emerge as the inevitable consequence of both foundational cultural or biological factors. Objectivists et all don't want to recognize this as it might cause them to rethink much of their philosophy. I don't think it would necessarily kill individualism, but it would require a new set of parameters to be drawn on what now is considered "individual liberty" or "individual rights"; two terms which are poorly defined by the people who use them most.

  8. Unknown

    Max,

    For a while. Rand was friends with John Hospers, a philosopher. Hospers was Dutch and grew up in a Dutch Calvinist community in Iowa. Hospers said in his memoirs that he didn't know a single fellow Dutchman growing up who was on welfare.

    In fact, I read a couple years ago in the New York Times (of all places) that there are a couple of predominantly Dutch counties in Iowa where the county until recently didn't have divorce forms that included a check list for illegitimate children. It was that uncommon.

    But to contemporary Objectivists this doesn't matter. You can import a million flinty Dutchmen, a million Muslims from MENA and Somalia, or a million Mexican women with their anchor babies. It doesn't matter.

    Galt help us all.

    -St. J.

  9. madmax

    Steve,

    I just saw your comment. Interesting observation from Hospers. Rand wrote her great works in the 30s, 40s and 50s. Think about that era; pre-divorce, pre-single mommy state, pre-promiscuity, pre-feminism, masculinity still a dominant respected cultural force, US 90% white. Jesus, whatever problems they had at that time, that era sounds like a utopia compared to today. What would Rand write if she were writing Atlas Shrugged today? Today's problems are orders of magnitude worse than when she wrote. Whites are facing racial displacement, Islam is rising, the Left is becoming openly totalitarian, a war is being declared on white, heterosexual males; and there is no recognition of this fact by the mainstream right including Objectivists.

    I wonder what the Ayn Rand institute and other big name O'ists will say about Trump's immigration paper? Well I know. They will condemn it as "collectivist" or "racist" or "nativist", etc. Will any of them acknowledge that when whites become a minority and no one but the Democrats can win national elections that there won't be any pro-liberty future for America? What hope do they think they have of trying to sell Objectivism and laissez faire to Hispanics, Africans, Muslims, Arabs, etc. They couldn't sell it to whites how on earth do they think they will sell it to browns, blacks and yellows.

    I wish that there would be a bio-realist pro-liberty movement that was aware of racial and gender realities. The best thing there is right now is Stephan Mollyneaux who is an anarchist and prone to all the pathologies of that ideology. But he does get many things right that Objectivists are clueless about; ie female hypergamy, cultural Marxism, the war on men, IQ and heredity, etc. Show me one Objectivist who understands any of these things. I could spit.

  10. Unknown

    Max,

    Every ARI-associated Objectivist that I know of (with perhaps the exception of Leonard Peikoff) believes that in an ideal world (when there is laissez-faire and nations that sponsor terrorism such as Iran are dealt with) there would be open immigration with respect to Muslims even if Europe and Israel become Islamic. The claim is that if you don't allow Muslims to vote or whatever things wouldn't be that bad.

    Anyone except an idiot knows that a 90% Islamic Europe even without giving Muslims the right to vote would be hell on earth. Yaron Brook, Harry Binswanger, etc. are not idiots; they support such a policy because they hate Western Civilization.

    Steve Jackson

  11. Edward Cline

    I gave up on "official" Objectivism years ago, especially on the subject of immigration. Talking to one of them about the perils of "open borders" was like talking to a brick wall — or a Muslim, or a skinhead, or to a Communist, or to Obama. If one doesn't realize that the person advocating "open borders" is beholden to a dogma, it's wasted effort. Muslims needn't have "the vote" to turn Europe into a hellhole; they just need to swamp the indigenous population with the help of European governments, as Angela Merkel is doing in Germany, and she's doing it deliberately, consciously, giving Germans the proverbial finger. And remember that some years ago it was she who proclaimed that multiculturalism doesn't work. Go figure.

  12. Unknown

    Multiculturalism doesn't work = stop complaining about the Islamification of Germany; we'll have a new culture sooner or later.

  13. madmax

    "they support such a policy because they hate Western Civilization."

    I agree with the rest of your comment but I wouldn't say they hate the West. I think the problem is that they are social constructivists. They don't understand or even want to consider that liberty needs to exist in a context of shared cultural values, and that race plays an important role in shaping those values. They're philosophic idealists even if they should know better. Even if you believe in a multi-racial minarchist society, which may or may not be possible, it would have to be established first by the people who CAN establish it. And those people are going to be overwhelmingly of European ancestry. To think that you can have a county full of various blacks, hispanics and even Asians (despite their high IQs they are highly ethnocentric and very "collectivist" to their core) and be able to fight the evil of the Left and establish a liberty oriented society with a Randian ethos is delusional.

    I do like Rand and I would love to see a society embody the excellence she envisioned. But that excellence needs a genetic foundation. Objectivists and mainstream libertarians are not familiar with any important data on heredity and race differences and on the massive loss of trust and social cohesion that multi-racialism, ie "diversity", brings. This is empirical stuff. The type of empirical data that Objectivism is supposed to consider in reaching its conclusions about "man qua man". Objectivism should be wrestling with this data and checking to see if going forward a liberty philosophy needs to be upgraded and amended. Hell, this stuff is important just to understand the political climate of the world in which we live.

    Why is Trump polling so high? Because White America is terrified of the country going brown, which is a legitimate fear given the realities of Brazil, Mexico, or heaven forbid South Africa.

  14. Unknown

    Max,

    What I said was perhaps overly harsh. Maybe what they hate is the idea of Europe as an ethnic and cultural unity.

    But are ARI-affiliated Objectivists unaware of the crime in Europe caused by immigrants, particularly Muslims?

    And I have a hard time taking seriously the claim that militarily action against Iran and Saudi Arabia would end Islamic terrorism. The Algerians in France riot and overturn cars when Algeria doesn't make the world cup, for crying out loud. Imagine what will happen if the USA bombs Saudi Arabia?

  15. Unknown

    Yaron Brook said recently that in an ideal world he'd support unlimited Islamic immigration and it doesn't matter whether immigrants commit crime at a rate higher than that of the natives.

    Why this isn't altruism is beyond me.

  16. Edward Cline

    Steve: You wrote that "Yaron Brook said recently that in an ideal world he'd support unlimited Islamic immigration and it doesn't matter whether immigrants commit crime at a rate higher than that of the natives." If this is true, this is beyond irrational. When did he say or write this? It makes absolutely no sense. If true, doesn't he realize that Islam is both a religion AND a political system, and that what we call crime isn't regarded by Muslims as crimes, but justifiable actions against infidels in a campaign of conquest? I'll check back here in a day or so for your response.

  17. Unknown

    Ed:

    It's on his radio show:

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/yaronbrook/2015/08/08/radical-capitalist-episode-7-real-questions-for-the-gop-and-my-answers-to-them

    Starting at 44:44 he says that he would not have open immigration for Muslims today, but once we solve the foreign policy problem with Islamic nations, we would "return to open immigration." So it seems clear that he does believe in open immigration for Muslims. Open immigration is by definition unlimited or nearly so.

    Not sure where he said the crime rate of immigrants doesn't matter, but it was on the same show.

    Harry Binswanger recently took a similar position with respect to Muslims:

    http://www.hbletter.com/why-objectivists-disagree-on-immigration/

  18. Unknown

    Ed: Maybe I could have been clearer. The statement about crime was not about crime caused my Muslim immigrants per se.

  19. madmax

    There is some brain activity going on in the Objectivist movement on the subject of immigration. Amy Peikoff's most recent post has some excellent comments by Ed Powell and some others. But Ed's comments are the best I've read from any Objectivist ever on this subject. There are some examples of extreme rationalism in the comments as well but they are drowned out by the intelligent, informed commenters. Amy herself is milquetoast on the subject but even she is conceding to Ed Powell.

    I don't expect Objectivism to go full on race realist but its not necessary that they do. But let them offer pro-liberty advocacy that is sane with regard to cultural differences and the effects on immigration. Maybe Mr. Powell's attitudes might gain traction and become a majority Objectivist opinion in few years.

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  21. Unknown

    The discussion is excellent. And not even the rationalists are defending the idea that mass immigration is good (they just ignore the question).

  22. Unknown

    Max,

    I wouldn't say Rush Limbaugh is a deep thinker, but here is his take on the Virginia TV shooting –

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/08/27/decades_of_cruel_liberalism_created_vester_flanagan_s_victim_mentality

    Compare this to anything Ari Armstrong or Craig Biddle writes. Well, you can't

    SJ

  23. Unknown

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  24. madmax

    SJ,

    You're right. That's because the Objectivist movement has become ossified and stagnant. It seems to only be able to criticize the Left along the same lines that Rand did in the 50s, 60s and 70s. But the world has changed radically since then. The Objectivist movement is apparently unaware that the Left is now the Cultural Marxist Left and they are specifically waging a war on white, heterosexual non-liberal Europeans (especially males) and that they have captured the entire culture. All Objectivists seem to care about or understand is economics (which is not a primary as Rand herself understood).

    So they don't see that the Virginia shooter was a disgruntled black who was killing because of his hatred of whites; that hatred being carefully stoked for his entire life by the Left and emboldened by the entitlement programs and "anti-discrimination" paradigm which currently dominates and which is really code for anti-white. This guy killed in retaliation for Dylan Roof who killed in part because he is psychotic but also in part as a reaction to a legitimate cultural phenomenon; ie the war against whites being engineered by the Left and their mainstream "Cuckservative" lapdogs and as experienced by the daily horror show of black on white murder, violence and rape. There is a low level race war going on right now and it will only intensify as whites become a minority in Western nations which is exactly what open immigration will do. Try explaining that to Binswanger, Biddle or Armstrong.

    I do consider the Classical Liberal legacy of individualism to have been a good thing. But it needs to be placed in proper context which Objectivism seems incapable of doing. Although that discussion at Amy Peikoff's blog is actually more anti-open immigration than it is pro-open immigration (although there are a few super rationalists posting as well). I don't think you would have seen that a few years ago. Hopefully Objectivism will start to move in a new direction. For me I would love to see a pro-liberty movement that is race aware, red pill on women and extremely hostile to Islam; what I consider to be core essentials if you are going to defend Western Civilization.

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    Max,

    The Virginia shooter was told all his life that "you can be whatever you want to be" and, if, as a black male and a homosexual, he wasn't a success it was the fault of "white privilege," "homophobia" or what not.

    What if it turns out that you can't be "whatever you want to be"? Maybe you could hold down a job, have a house, and take a vacation to Disney World every couple of years. You just wouldn't get the job of your choice, unless enabled by affirmative action.

    Take the deaths of Micheal Brown, Freddie Gray, or whomever. Whatever interpretation you want to give, they started their respective incidents with police. But just today, a sheriff in Texas was shot in cold blood by a black hoodlum. No provocation, no previous interaction. And you hear such stories every day.

    -Steve Jackson

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